klitschko/peter.....discussion...

[sphincter]

i just started this off the cuff...

personally,i don`t see how this thing goes 12(it`s listed as a 12`er).....

i surmise that you think(tony montana) vitali has a real shot here.....one thing i`ll say....we have no idea as to whether or not peter has decent whiskers....

i do know that vitali hasn`t finished in any of his 3 losses...

you have a 6`6" tall guy vs a 6` even guy...makes you realize that peter will have to take shots to get close enough to do damage..brewster was belabored by vitali...it still amazes me that he was able to withstand the early beating.....and come back to stop vitali.....brewster does have a serious beard....and real heart....

..brewster was also a short heavyweight....much like peter...

several questions seem obvious...

1)does peter have a decent chin?....and can he sustain in a very difficult fight if we make it to the middle rounds?...i don`t recall seeing peter vs an offensive fighter the caliber of vitali....i don`t recall him fighting through fatigue in a tough fight...he hasn`t been in any....

2)vitali`s chin is ????....does vitali have any stamina????....does he have heart vs really dangerous opponents that aren`t intimidated by him?....can he sustain vs an offensive minded brutal puncher like peter?.....


these questions led me to believe that there`s very little chance that this thing goes to the cards....the only scenario i see that could lead to this going 12 is that both guys miss whiff early and just become exhausted....

but,i really don`t see that happening...peter doesn`t really seem concerned with defense....he won`t be hard to find...

i think that vitali will HAVE to make peter respect him early....he`ll have to keep peter at a distance and punish him....make him not want to close distance.....

i know that vitali has been criticized because of his alleged lack of stamina and heart....

it seems that brother wlad has that indefinable will to win...the heart.....i honestly believe that vitali is the more talented....i think he`s the bigger puncher....

but,i have to say that when the going gets tough,he has taken a cab several times....that`s just how i see it...

maybe it`s a bad rap...we`ll see saturday...he can resurrect his career with a big win...

all that said,i have "the fight won`t go the distance" prop at -440 parlayed with everything from the "corrales/castillo doesn`t go the distance" prop to " o.j. doesn`t find nicole`s real killer".....everything...

the "wins by 12 round decision" props are +1515 and +1575 respectively.....you get the drift...

i`ll take a real beating if this goes 12....i`l lose a good chunk of what i`ve won this year in boxing...and that will hurt....

it`s so obvious to me,that it actually scares me....these are the kinds of wagers that make guys swear off gambling....

i`m interested in hearing differing opinions...or similar ones...with rationale if possible.....

particularly tony montana.....he knows the klitchko`s pretty well...

this one piques my interest....

 

[sphincter]

sorry...it`s late...i got wlad and vitali mixed up in my thread.....my eyes are crossed after keying that dirge....

 

[tonymontana+]

For me this fight is the biggest investment since a very long time but maybe i am a little desparated and forcing a big bet.

Wlad is in general one of the physically best trained hw, he has shown no problems to fight for 12 rounds in a fast speed. What happened in the brewster fight ? I dont know but i know that this was not a general stamina issue, at least i bet on it.

Wlad has problems against fast and straight punchers and peter is your pretty typical wild swinging and very heavy handed slugger.
Also Peter has a series of impressive KOs he was fighting against opponents who didnt take his fire power seriously ( both Williams and sykes made pretty stupid comments before the fight)
Klitschko will not make that mistake and he has the heaviest jab in the buisness today to establise distance. You are right about that the crucial part is what is happening when Peter tries to come in :
If Vlad gets all defensive and tries to hold he will be in trouble sonner or later.
If uses his right hand (unfortunately no uppercut avialable but straight hands will do the job too ) and his killer left hook (which is very short and well disguised) Peter is the one in big trouble.
The best way to beat Vlad is counter punching with fast hands not just come right at him throwing wild punches. Sanders is pretty good at that.

Clearly this is a fallen angel bet. i believe Vlad is better and peter is worse than the public is believing.
i would be surprised to see this fight go 12 but -440 is alot. At least play some crazy parlays with klischko via dec. at +1500.

 

[tonymontana+]

talking about fallen angels
i also like rjj at this price and krasniqi should be able to outbox brewster.

nice parlay with Vlad.

 

[boxlocks]

Tony

Good to see you like Klit and Kras

I posted these at the other forum...

Klitschko +220

Klit-Peter Under 6.5 +125

Krasniqi +130


I could make some free money by playing Peter -150 and the over 6.5 at +126 if I want.
Not sure about the total yet, but I'll probably let Klit +220 ride.

I'll start posting more plays here, lets get this forum going again

gl bl

 

[boxlocks]

Btw, I played Jones by 12 round decision at +430 when it opened

Roy won't stop Tarver

gl

 

[tonymontana+]

Btw, I played Jones by 12 round decision at +430 when it opened

Roy won't stop Tarver

gl

yep i have that one too

 

[Moves]

This fight will go to Peter, he is determined to prove he is one of the best heavyweights in the world. Also, boxing needs a new face in the heavyweight division and it could be Peter. We all know how judges can be influenced in boxing so if it goes to the cards it will be Peter. However, I dont think it will. Peter will come out fast and chase Klitch, corner him and pound him. Depending on whether Klitch has an effective jab will determine how long this fight goes.

Peter wins in 7 rounds.

 

[sphincter]

klitschko definitely has shown major flaws.......in big fights....no doubt....


but...peter has been in NO big fights...i think that smallish jeremy williams was the biggest puncher he`d been in with....and williams best days were behind him....i`m not sure whether he ever cracked the top ten at any point in his career...

your opinion on a peter stoppage is a valid one...that seems to be where the oddsmakers think this is heading....

all i`m saying is that while klit has shown flaws,peter is a big????

now he steps in with a guy that is 6 or 7 inches taller...hits like a sledge hammer...and has a good jab to boot...

peter`s not the most defensively adept guy to come down the pike....as a matter of fact,he hasn`t had to be...

we learned some things about mike tyson when the aura of invincibility wore off...when guys actually stopped being intimidated...

could peter be a similar guy?...i don`t know...that`s what makes this so interesting....

i think...that at least for the first few rounds,klitschko will be very dangerous...that is,unless somebody rubs vaseline on his legs(lol....sorry tony...i couldn`t resist).....

alot will depend on what kind of respect klit earns early,imo....if he jabs and runs or just clinches,it will only be a matter of time...

if he comes out and uses that pistonlike jab...authoritatively....and follows it with combos from a distance...he may be the one to break peter`s will...

it`s do or die for little brother...i think they believe that they are catching peter at an "unfinished" stage in his career...

there`s a trend i`ve noticed recently....dogs that win come out aggressively...or in close fights,still the guys that are aggressive..

brewster vs golota...pacquaio vs barrera and marquez...barrera vs morales...soto vs juarez....morales came out lazy vs raheem,also....but,he set the tone vs pacquaio......taylor started fast vs b.hop..then faded...but,he set the tone...

karmazin vs ouma....hatton/tszyu...barrios/anchondo...mormeck/braithwaite....

these guys came out pretty strong...while the supposed faves took their time...

if wlad is intimidated...and starts defensively,he`ll get knocked out....ala cory sanders....he has to set the tone...

 

[go2guy]

First of all, good to see the boxing heads back

I'm thinking about taking Vlad for the distance, the payout is too enticing not to take at +1400 and above. My gut tells me that Peter will try to stalk Vlad down and if Vlad doesn't fall, Peter will wilt under pressure and set himself up for a punching dummy and this one will get stopped by the corner or ref somewhere in the mid rounds.

FYI Word is going around that Roy has a right hand injury BTW. Don't know if he is playing possum or presetting an excuse.

What do you guys think about Cotto's opponent on the card, never heard of him until a week ago. They have him as a big dog against a guy (Cotto) that chin IMO is suspect?

 

[go2guy]

klitschko definitely has shown major flaws.......in big fights....no doubt....


but...peter has been in NO big fights...i think that smallish jeremy williams was the biggest puncher he`d been in with....and williams best days were behind him....i`m not sure whether he ever cracked the top ten at any point in his career...

your opinion on a peter stoppage is a valid one...that seems to be where the oddsmakers think this is heading....

all i`m saying is that while klit has shown flaws,peter is a big????

now he steps in with a guy that is 6 or 7 inches taller...hits like a sledge hammer...and has a good jab to boot...

peter`s not the most defensively adept guy to come down the pike....as a matter of fact,he hasn`t had to be...

we learned some things about mike tyson when the aura of invincibility wore off...when guys actually stopped being intimidated...

could peter be a similar guy?...i don`t know...that`s what makes this so interesting....

i think...that at least for the first few rounds,klitschko will be very dangerous...that is,unless somebody rubs vaseline on his legs(lol....sorry tony...i couldn`t resist).....

alot will depend on what kind of respect klit earns early,imo....if he jabs and runs or just clinches,it will only be a matter of time...

if he comes out and uses that pistonlike jab...authoritatively....and follows it with combos from a distance...he may be the one to break peter`s will...

it`s do or die for little brother...i think they believe that they are catching peter at an "unfinished" stage in his career...

there`s a trend i`ve noticed recently....dogs that win come out aggressively...or in close fights,still the guys that are aggressive..

brewster vs golota...pacquaio vs barrera and marquez...barrera vs morales...soto vs juarez....morales came out lazy vs raheem,also....but,he set the tone vs pacquaio......taylor started fast vs b.hop..then faded...but,he set the tone...

karmazin vs ouma....hatton/tszyu...barrios/anchondo...mormeck/braithwaite....

these guys came out pretty strong...while the supposed faves took their time...

if wlad is intimidated...and starts defensively,he`ll get knocked out....ala cory sanders....he has to set the tone...

I like Peter as a boxer but all I keep thinking is Mike Tyson. If he gets in the ring with someone who has SOME boxing skills and can withstand the storm, he could be in trouble.

 

[boxlocks]

What do you guys think about Cotto's opponent on the card, never heard of him until a week ago. They have him as a big dog against a guy (Cotto) that chin IMO is suspect?

I decided to play the Cotto-Torres under 6.5 at -125 small

Its not a lock, but Torres is not there to win a decision by outboxing Cotto. Torres is a swinger and he knows he has no chance of winning a decision here. He also knows Cotto was badly hurt by Corely. I expect Torres to go after Cotto early, but he should get dropped by sharp counters.

I played these so far...

Klitschko over Peter +220

Klitshchko-Peter under 6.5 +125

Juaregui over Suico +100

Cotto-Torres under 6.5 -125


All small plays

gl bl

 

[tonymontana+]

klitschko definitely has shown major flaws.......in big fights....no doubt....



alot will depend on what kind of respect klit earns early,imo....if he jabs and runs or just clinches,it will only be a matter of time...

if he comes out and uses that pistonlike jab...authoritatively....and follows it with combos from a distance...he may be the one to break peter`s will...

it`s do or die for little brother...i think they believe that they are catching peter at an "unfinished" stage in his career...

there`s a trend i`ve noticed recently....dogs that win come out aggressively...or in close fights,still the guys that are aggressive..

brewster vs golota...pacquaio vs barrera and marquez...barrera vs morales...soto vs juarez....morales came out lazy vs raheem,also....but,he set the tone vs pacquaio......taylor started fast vs b.hop..then faded...but,he set the tone...

karmazin vs ouma....hatton/tszyu...barrios/anchondo...mormeck/braithwaite....

these guys came out pretty strong...while the supposed faves took their time...

if wlad is intimidated...and starts defensively,he`ll get knocked out....ala cory sanders....he has to set the tone...

Interesting theory about being aggressive. But in this matchup Peter will press the action but Klit has to stand his ground he can not fight going backwards and with his jab there is no need to go back.

I hope he is not trying to much of this clinching stuff Steward was working on because this is a dangerous distance for Klit. Klit is ready and relaxed enough to use his arsenal (left hook and straight right) to welcome peter if he is coming in Peter goes down fast.

I said it before sanders did not go after Vlad from the opening bell he was going backwards and waited forr Klit to go first and than was hitting in Klits punch with superior speed and timing. He tried the same with Vitali and he did catch Vitali too with a big left in the second and vitali decided to stay away with right hands going first again sanders.

Good thing is Vlads left hook is deadly against smaller fighters who come in.
Remember boxer like botha schulze bird or mercer tried to close the distance too but it was fucking brutal : you stay outside you get pounded by the monster jab you want to get inside the heavy shit is coming your way.
That was and hopfully is Vlads best feature powerful fast combination against incoming fighters or fighters against the ropes.

 

[3DGlasses]

I think Peter is going to charge Wlad the same way Brewster charged Golota. (actually, I know this for a fact) And when Wlad gets hit, he cuts. He also fights scared and gets winded. If Peter has a chin, he wins.

Barrett, Byrd, Mercer(old), mcCline... none of them are punchers. McCline fought terrified.

one thing for sure... going forward and attacking Wlad will make this fight a war. Cannot see it going 7 rounds... no way Wlad is going to go 7 rounds without getting punched. And when he does get punched -- timber.

 

[tgoodm1]

I think Peter is going to charge Wlad the same way Brewster charged Golota. (actually, I know this for a fact) And when Wlad gets hit, he cuts. He also fights scared and gets winded. If Peter has a chin, he wins.

I am in agreement.

At one time, I was a big fan of Wladimir Klitschko. Since his two devastating losses, I no longer see him as serious threat at taking over the heavyweight division.

I think that the blueprint has been layed on how to fight and beat Wladimir. The opponent must show aggression and lack of intimidation while coming forward with accurate power shots.

I would not lay anything on Wladimir. I just think that sometimes we look at these matchups from a scientific standpoint too often. Just because Peter has half the experience of Klitschko is not enough in my eyes to go against him. Look at the guys that beat Klitschko. I dont even consider them to be great fighters.

Peter all the way as the momentum continues.


Boxing Freak

PS I also looked at Peter and the over together.

 

[sphincter]

""I think Peter is going to charge Wlad the same way Brewster charged Golota. (actually, I know this for a fact) And when Wlad gets hit, he cuts. He also fights scared and gets winded. If Peter has a chin, he wins.

Barrett, Byrd, Mercer(old), mcCline... none of them are punchers. McCline fought terrified.

one thing for sure... going forward and attacking Wlad will make this fight a war. Cannot see it going 7 rounds... no way Wlad is going to go 7 rounds without getting punched. And when he does get punched -- timber."""


i agree with alot of this....the comment on mccline being terrified by klit...i was embarrassed for him...

and the fact that wlad may break up...everything points to "inside the distance"....

peter has no choice other than to go forward...he`s fighting uphill...punching uphill...he has to close distance.....this is why klit has a chance...

despite all his shortcomings...stamina,heart,chin etc.... klit has so many physical advantages....and punches very hard to boot...and that this is literally do or die for him...

we know that on any given day....la de da la de da...

personally,i`d make the argument that this wasn`t the smartest career move for him...but....


a win puts him right back in the mix...

emanuel steward and wlad are really rolling the dice here...

big cojones...

 

A great start to the weekend as Juaregui wins by lopsided decision

 

[sphincter]

congrats on jauregui...you pushed me over the edge....

 

[tgoodm1]

I see Vitaly wanting to face Peter after tonight.

 

[boxlocks]

I scalped Klit +220 with Peter -157, and the under 6.5 +125 with the over +132

Risking nothing to win some decent cash on Klit and the under